Ask the Rabbi – Saul and the Spirit Medium – 2

1 Samuel 28:3-25 is a strange text to bring up after the series of articles on the non-existence of the devil, demonic spirits, and ghosts. This episode appears  to promote the belief that the spirit of the dead can be conjured up through the agency of a medium like those simulated in seances today. This isolated case continues to stump us and has been our recurring discussion for weeks now since we have not been able to come up with a satisfactory answer, satisfactory to us first and foremost!

We resorted to “Ask the Rabbi” and posted the first answer, here’s the second Jewish website that sent back a reply:

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Q:  If necromancy is forbidden by God, why did he allow the witch of Endor to call Samuel from the grave and talk to Saul?

A: Fr:  Chabad.org: Ask the Rabbi {Ref. No. 2356122}

  • Just because something is not allowed doesn’t mean it won’t produce results!
  • I’ll flip it the other way: Just because something works doesn’t mean it is allowed.
  • Torah tells us right from wrong. Good from bad. Pure from impure.
  • G-d made a world with impurity (for the sake of freedom of choice) and we are to choose the path of Torah.

Let me know if this helps.

Yours truly,
Rabbi Yisroel Cotlar

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Sinaites’ Comment:

To be a honest, our first impulse was not to publish this reply because it was not satisfactory and besides which, it only succeeded in raising more questions in our minds.  Since the answers were brief with no further elaboration, let us take it point by point:

  • Just because something is not allowed doesn’t mean it won’t produce results! 
    • The “something that is not allowed” is the practice of necromancy [i.e., sorcery, (black) magic, witchcraft, witchery, wizardry, the occult, occultism, voodoo, hoodoo; divination; spiritualism].  
    • In the text under scrutiny, there are two characters interacting with each other initially:  King Saul and the witch of Endor.  
    • Saul had decreed against the practice of necromancy which is forbidden by the Torah; the witch by the very fact she’s called a witch or in some texts “necromancer” has the reputation of having practiced it, and has either discontinued it because of the decree or continued but secretly. 
    • Saul disguises himself because he has to violate his own decree; this is the extent of the depths to which this king has sunk. 
    • Why does he want to violate his and the Torah’s decree? Because he’s desperate, wants answers about the security of his kingship and his kingdom, but no longer has Samuel to consult and all other recourse yield no answers.  
    • So despite Saul’s violation of the Torah prohibition and his own decree, he still gets what he wants and asks for: the return of Samuel from the dead to prophesy the end of Saul’s kingship.
    • So next the interaction shifts between Saul and the “being” that Saul perceives to be Samuel; if it is not the real Samuel, then it is some spirit [possibly an angelic messenger] taking the place of the dead Samuel, though that is not indicated in the text, in fact the text says Samuel is speaking, sounding irritated that he had to be “disturbed” to be “raised up.”  It would seem God did indulge Saul so he could hear of his impending fate.
    • The Rabbi is right:  something not allowed produced results for Saul; he got what he asked for [rouse Samuel from his sleep of death] and got an answer to his question, but not the answer he had wanted to hear.
    • Now why would God allow the violation of His own Torah by allowing Samuel to return to issue one last prophecy on the destiny of Saul?  
    • Why indulge Saul’s wrongful and sinful tendency? 
    • How could that possibly teach Saul a lesson? 
    • This is confusing  to the rest of Torah-students like ourselves who cannot understand how this fits in the teaching on disobedience and consequence?
  • I’ll flip it the other way: Just because something works doesn’t mean it is allowed.Torah tells us right from wrong. Good from bad. Pure from impure. Amen!
    • For all that Saul went through to get answers even if he went about it the wrong way, he did succeed . . . but everything he did was a violation of Torah . . . a sin against God. He suffered the consequences. 
    • Could he have repented and asked forgiveness?  That is always a choice of every person who realizes he has sinned, God reacts favorably toward the repentant, just look at David. But the text does not indicate that Saul repented.
  • G-d made a world with impurity (for the sake of freedom of choice) and we are to choose the path of Torah.  Perhaps this should be reworded into:  God made a world that He pronounced “good” and “very good,” except that man was given freedom of choice which could turn the good and very good to bad and very bad when man strays from the path of Torah and disobeys God’s specific commandment.

Are we satisfied with this reply?  Not quite, though Rabbi Cotlar has helped us look at the episode from another angle.  

 

Reader Comments


  1. VAN:

    This is my position. Check it out.

    God has given man free will – free will to choose between good and evil. He also has given great powers to the forces of good, as well as, to the forces of evil.

    This was to provide a wider scope of tests of faith, so that man could choose between good and evil. This is true as we read through the lives of the patriarchs and from the writings of the prophets.

    When God allowed Samuel to rise from the dead, it was only to confirm what God said in the verses that follows:

    1 Samuel 28:

    · v15 Then Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up? And Saul answered, “I am greatly distressed; for the Philistines are waging war against me, and God has departed from me and answers me no more, either through the prophets or by dreams; therefore, I have called you that may make known to me what I would do.”

    · v16 And Samuel said, “Why then do you ask, since the Lord has departed from you and has become your adversary?

    · v17 “And the Lord has done accordingly as He spoke through me; for the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, to David.

    · v19”Moreover the Lord will also give over Israel along with into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed….”

    (all quotations from NASB, underscoring mine).

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